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Chris D's avatar

I’ve never seen more windows smashed and “vehicle extractions” in my life. In my 28 year policing career — eleven of those years spent on the street, in an urban city — I never smashed one window on a vehicle.

And every single person I ever physically removed from a vehicle was a legit criminal who had just committed a serious crime — not some mom dropping her kid off at school.

These psychos just smash windows and drag people out for fun.

Ken Klippenstein's avatar

Oh wow didn’t know you were a police officer. Curious to hear your perspective on all this!

Chris D's avatar

I’ve been retired a few years, now. Retired as a Det. Sergeant in our Internal Affairs unit. Mid size agency (450 officers) in NJ.

I’m disgusted by what I’ve been seeing with ICE. Complete lack of training, lack of adherence to the 4th amendment, search and seizure laws, and now just sheer brutality and cruelty.

I wrote a piece here on my Substack on ICE, from the perspective of a former police officer and internal affairs investigator. Funny thing is, at this point, it feels a bit outdated already from where we are at now.

Feel free to DM me, Ken, if you ever want to talk in detail.

Alice's avatar

Your thoughts on the whole DHS? POGO's series with IG Cuffari was riveting. Under Biden and Trump admin and congresses both, it seems the money flowed/s despite abuses and apparently minus rules, training, evaluations, accountability, or general knowledge of mismanagement, human and property harms, or misuse of public funds. (What did DOGE do?) Seems many acts serve more than a single purpose.

Would you say the thieves having dismantled the alarms are strutting out with the jewels, we citizens distracted by ICE and other crises?

https://www.pogo.org/investigates/podcasts/bad-watchdog/s01e05-who-is-joseph-cuffari

Feb. '25, "“We’re working with them at the president’s direction, to find what we can do to make our department much more efficient,” Noem replied. “This is essentially an audit.” After staff and other complaints to Congress and lawsuits, is Noem's the height of stupidity, incompetence, and/or distraction from those thieves?

https://newrepublic.com/post/191343/noem-musk-doge-homeland-security

Emma's avatar

Thank you for these links.

Alice's avatar

Thank you for caring to look. We knew all along - Biden never ridded us of Cuffari, DeJoy selling the USPS down the river, the IRS director Biden let retire, and Jerome Powell of the Fed neglecting real people for bankers.

Robert Jaffee's avatar

I’ve seen it done twice. In both cases, the car was in flood waters and the Firefighters/ EMT’s needed to break the window to rescue the people inside.

Ironically, the people inside the cars are needing to be rescued from the rescuers! Outstanding!…:)

Mike Menzie's avatar

These Gestapo thugs really get off on smashing car windows, have seen a lot of those videos. She Wolf of the SS Kristi Noem should be tried for war crimes, since she is at war with Americans, and disband her ICE army.

Carol Draizen's avatar

The constant use of the ICE propaganda narrative phrase “weaponizing their vehicles” says it all. trump has created a violent militia & I frequently worry about where the militia will go once they’re ever told to stand down. Militias don’t disappear & members don’t just go home to become peaceful people; that’s not what I’ve ever seen (PTSD notwithstanding). ICE had better start putting away a considerable sum of their money to pay out lawsuits in the next few years. All the broken windows, doors, rammed vehicles & so many deliberate injuries—blinding by “non-lethal” weapons, families teargassed, shootings, etc. & all the deaths are going to add up.

kels 🪻's avatar

DHS has “its own belligerent definition” of most things. Good work, per usual. We appreciate you endlessly.

Ken Klippenstein's avatar

thank you kels!

Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

De-escalation would not be as much fun, I'm guessing, for the folks likely to sign up for the ICE job. Democracy Now said the information from the Minneapolis police suggests there was even fourth gunshot wound. I haven't seen any follow up on that nor the 'internal bleeding' claim.

Michael Wallace's avatar

This is an unintentional hilarious read when you consider other reporting that recruits have literacy issues.

Who's reading the memos?

Jim's avatar

Like most things in compliance realm, it's there to provide cover for leadership and be ignored by rank and file.

Cécile Stelzer-Johnson's avatar

Correct: there are the commands you give the thugs on the ground and what you give to the Press: What you give to the Press has to be sanitized (or outright invented) to provide ICE with deniability: If something bad happens, Noem can claim that Ross acted beyond what she allowed.

Maybe ICE officers should be told that they are about to be shoved under the proverbial bus!

Right now, in my little town, there is a question as to whether the PD has an agreement with ICE to detain folks in our jails. We are getting different versions...

They know that these are OUR jails and we don't want ICE detainees taking the space.

An agreement was signed with ICE... Not sure yet if it allows the use of our jails

M F's avatar

Our so-called Homeland Security of our so-called democracy is demonstrably out of control and explosively pitted against rightful citizens. It is violently provoking violent response. MLK and Gandhi were very wise in promoting peaceful resistance; they represented the course of justice and reason. But the impulse to fight back runs deep; it sparked the American Revolution. NO KINGS SINCE 1776.

Hoferthin king's avatar

I’ll believe a vehicle is a weapon when it is accorded the privileges of the 2nd amendment including but not limited to the illegalization of registries and the removal of licenses or at least their replacement with shall issue permits.

I’m waiting…

JennyStokes's avatar

I was under the impression ICE is about immigration concerns?

This a white woman?

Did ICE have info on her?

This is going to boomerang back against Trump.....just a guess. This 'militia' is not going away.

ellis derby's avatar

Ken, your reporting on this topic has been exemplary. I find myself agreeing with no one 100%. I don't think abolishing ICE is a good demand or a good idea, but I am appalled at the behavior of this government agency. And as you've been pointing out, escalation and confrontation seems to be the point of the National Security Memorandums/executive orders that have been put forth, and on which the media and most politicians have been silent.

Alice's avatar

Refugees would willingly stay home if we weren't making it impossible.

https://www.unhcr.org/where-we-work

sjbeans's avatar

I'm not religious but I'm really beginning to like the idea of hell in respect to these thugs and their enablers. Thanks for your reporting.

kathleen quinn's avatar

outstanding reporting Ken, thanks

Holli's avatar

Let’s face it, Ross was just ready to kill liberals. He joined up in 2015 during Trump’s first term. His whole mentality since then was a war in his mind against liberals.

Cécile Stelzer-Johnson's avatar

And it has been expressed by the Felon in chief time and again:

The enemy within, they are all nasty people, they don't send us their best. they ae Insurrectionists (Even though he was the one who started an Insurrection on Jan 6 with "stop the Steal",.

The whole idea to overturn the newly elected Government. Now THAT is an insurrection! My own Senator, Ron Johnson, participated fully in it, even attempting to slip some fake electors ballot to Mike Pence!

Bob Fett's avatar

If he joined in 2015, Obama would have been president.

Holli's avatar

Yes, but in 2015 it was a campaign year. Trump announced that year he would be running for president. The maga party was very vocal, very much starting to forment.

John Smith's avatar

These people aren't professionals. I get the sense that they are just opening the 4Chan floodgates and handing them an enviable pay check, weapons, and a license to kill.

Cécile Stelzer-Johnson's avatar

Right you are, John. They are looking for a certain type of "law" enforcer.

It is never a good idea to offer a $50,000 bonus for signing up and expect a good agent: that's not how they are made!

direwolff's avatar

As always, thanks for the added color and the sharing of these internal documents, Ken. This really helps paint a more vibrant canvas of what’s on various parties’ minds. While I remain of the opinion that however questionable the officer’s judgment was, Ms. Good put herself in harm’s way, which was the initial avoidable situation, these docs reflect the acknowledgment that behind the scenes that these operations are inherently dangerous, and understood to be so by those in charge. I think we can agree that if one crosses the street at the wrong time and gets hit by a car, while the driver is still obligated to stop and give the pedestrian leeway, the pedestrian took a dangerous action which could result in their death, no matter what rights they might have had in that dangerous situation. Ms. Good took an inherently dangerous action, and the officer being right or wrong as a judgment after her death is a second order consideration. Her actions were lethally irresponsible, as are those of many other protesters. They do not know why ICE is going after someone nor that person’s potentially dangerous background, yet they persist in their righteous indignation. Bad things are sure to happen under those circumstances and Ms. Good found out the hard way. Yes, the officer should have to answer for his decisions and actions, but when federal law enforcement has a job to do, and citizens antagonize them and prevent them from doing said job, one that both Obama and Clinton also ordered during their time as President (in Obama’s case, to the tune of 3 MILLION people), well then, those engaging in putting themselves in those situations should know that there are lethal consequences which they could have avoided.

Scott Burson's avatar

Ross also put himself in a dangerous situation, by walking in front of her car — something police officers are trained not to do. In fact, I'm not sure she saw him at all. One video I've seen shows her talking out her side window to the agent trying to get her out of the car. Others show that Ross was not in front of the car for more than a few seconds. It seems entirely possible to me that she started her three-point turn seeing no one in the way, then continued to execute it while looking at the other agent, never even imagining someone would have stepped in front of the car.

We'll probably never know for sure. She can't give her side of the story now.