No, government is still more powerful. People may label my comment as communist, but I really don't care, especially when its a matter of defense/natsec. If Trump had the stones, he would nationalize SpaceX and make it a part of NASA. But he doesn't. And there isn't a single living elected official in the U.S. with the stomach for it. FDR would have, though. If put in a similar position, Xi Jinping would do so without hesitation. But that speaks to our limitations as a nation. The U.S. Constitution protects us from state tyranny, but it doesn’t account for the tyranny of private industry which is what Elon Musk is threatening to do with SpaceX. And he's far from the only one.
I fail to see what is "communist" about your comment. You are probably correct about Xi Jinping, but FDR never nationalized any industry. He created many helpful programs and agencies and pulled us out of the Great Depression.
He never identified himself a Socialist, even though his critics went there, of course. Nationalization of an Industry is definitely communist in nature, as it is a form of governance where the Government holds all the cards.
In my humble opinion, what best describes a Socialist is a belief in a Government Of the People, By The People and For the People. It follows the "consent of the governed.
But a Socialist does believe in Capitalism, just well regulated so we don't have the sh*t show we presently have.
Hitler, Franco and Mussolini tried to make an alliance with big business. that didn't work well either: You cannot govern a country like a business, as Trump is finding out
As I often say: It's easier to run your mouth than to run a government.
Great comment. One correction; Hitler absolutely made his alliance with big business, it was in fact that alliance that solidified his power along with the multinational corporations who backed him in the US and abroad. Henry Ford was one well-known promoter of nazism in America, but there were a handful of others. Concentration camps were nearly pure-profit enterprises, obviously many degrees more brutal and indefensible in nature and scope, but not entirely dissimilar to California’s own highly profitable system of prison labor which was re-entrenched in the most recent election.
I'm torn on this one. If either decides to take this to a medievel level, I think Trump wins. Musk will go down like an effigy for people on both sides, and Trump comes out looking great. Well, sort of. But if TACO Tariff Guy shows up to the fight, Musk wins.
If I were advising the President, I would say go with Bannon here. Divest from Tesla, zero subsidies, nationalize SpaceX, and deport Musk. Get Pam Bondi to start the investigations, and perhaps assign a special prosecutor (and make that person a Democrat). Do it - strike while the iron's hot. This will also get the public over any TACO talk, when you REALLY do not chicken out on this one. Plus, it's only business - who gets Elon's money?
If there is a silver lining to this sordid quarrel, it is that it placed me in total agreement with Trump and Musk: They are both totally correct: The other guy is a criminal!
Now, that does not help us all that much in the short term, but as Trump said recently (talking about Putin & Zelensky) "when you see 2 people fighting like children, sometimes you just have to let them fight a little longer."
Ha! I bet you didn't know I was going there, did you? :-)
The fact is that both Trump and Musk are "Enemies of We The People": Let them tear into each other: they will both end up diminished, for our benefit.
Who will come out on top? Probably Elon, because X is so much larger than Truth Social, and Musk is so much richer than Trump. I'm sure he could convince a few important people to try and remove the Felon, using the 25th Amendment, Section 4: Trump has not behaved like a president, like EVER, and his state of confusion is becoming ever more obvious.
I'm sure Musk could stick a few millions in corrupting this 'cabinet' [which is already incredibly corrupt] to turn on Trump and call him unfit...Elon and all his subsidies stay in place, JD Vance becomes President and keeps the Corrupt Cabinet to do his bidding.
Trump is a lame duck president anyway, and I think some Republican politicians are starting to think about the color of their parachute after Trump...
Not so sure about that. Trump is a gangster. Don’t underestimate his appetite for vengeance and where he came from. Musk will take him down, but it’s looking more like the famous fighting dinos in NYC where no one emerges unscathed in the end.
The presence of the ultrarich at the inauguration is evidence that they are eager to be on good terms with the President, no? They must pay homage knowing of the power he has to change their financial situation.
As for personal wealth, those at the top are extremely dependent on investors loving the shares of companies owned and that can change very quickly. It's certainly true that the ultrarich will not become homeless at any point, but their status, their ranking on the list of richest rich is very important to their sense of self-worth, crazy at that is. Dropping from #4 to #10, for example, would be devastating and likely to result in deep depression. Hard as it may be to believe by the 99%, those at the top, with the notable exception of Warren Buffett, are very insecure with their egos tightly bound to position regarding their peers. All the private jets, yachts, and mansions for a person that can only be in one room at a time just like the rest of us is testimony to this and the continual drive that will not let them let up on accumulation that is pointless when looked at rationally. For all the glamour, they are squirrels in a squirrel cage.
No, government is still more powerful. People may label my comment as communist, but I really don't care, especially when its a matter of defense/natsec. If Trump had the stones, he would nationalize SpaceX and make it a part of NASA. But he doesn't. And there isn't a single living elected official in the U.S. with the stomach for it. FDR would have, though. If put in a similar position, Xi Jinping would do so without hesitation. But that speaks to our limitations as a nation. The U.S. Constitution protects us from state tyranny, but it doesn’t account for the tyranny of private industry which is what Elon Musk is threatening to do with SpaceX. And he's far from the only one.
I fail to see what is "communist" about your comment. You are probably correct about Xi Jinping, but FDR never nationalized any industry. He created many helpful programs and agencies and pulled us out of the Great Depression.
He never identified himself a Socialist, even though his critics went there, of course. Nationalization of an Industry is definitely communist in nature, as it is a form of governance where the Government holds all the cards.
In my humble opinion, what best describes a Socialist is a belief in a Government Of the People, By The People and For the People. It follows the "consent of the governed.
But a Socialist does believe in Capitalism, just well regulated so we don't have the sh*t show we presently have.
Hitler, Franco and Mussolini tried to make an alliance with big business. that didn't work well either: You cannot govern a country like a business, as Trump is finding out
As I often say: It's easier to run your mouth than to run a government.
Great comment. One correction; Hitler absolutely made his alliance with big business, it was in fact that alliance that solidified his power along with the multinational corporations who backed him in the US and abroad. Henry Ford was one well-known promoter of nazism in America, but there were a handful of others. Concentration camps were nearly pure-profit enterprises, obviously many degrees more brutal and indefensible in nature and scope, but not entirely dissimilar to California’s own highly profitable system of prison labor which was re-entrenched in the most recent election.
Most people couldn't name the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? C'mon, everybody knows it's Rob Johnson.
lol...
Not to mention that a good portion of Trump's wealth comes via his shit coin. Whoever has access to the best drugs eventually wins.
Now thats funny.
I'm torn on this one. If either decides to take this to a medievel level, I think Trump wins. Musk will go down like an effigy for people on both sides, and Trump comes out looking great. Well, sort of. But if TACO Tariff Guy shows up to the fight, Musk wins.
If I were advising the President, I would say go with Bannon here. Divest from Tesla, zero subsidies, nationalize SpaceX, and deport Musk. Get Pam Bondi to start the investigations, and perhaps assign a special prosecutor (and make that person a Democrat). Do it - strike while the iron's hot. This will also get the public over any TACO talk, when you REALLY do not chicken out on this one. Plus, it's only business - who gets Elon's money?
That's me summoning the spirit of Stephen Miller.
From Europe; I look at the USA with their guns in their homes.
JUST wait you morons who say nothing: Your guns will be confiscated and you will be shipped off to El Salvador.
NOT one person is 'safe' in the USA which is why you have NO tourists or business coming to your DESPICABLE dumb country.
If there is a silver lining to this sordid quarrel, it is that it placed me in total agreement with Trump and Musk: They are both totally correct: The other guy is a criminal!
Now, that does not help us all that much in the short term, but as Trump said recently (talking about Putin & Zelensky) "when you see 2 people fighting like children, sometimes you just have to let them fight a little longer."
Ha! I bet you didn't know I was going there, did you? :-)
The fact is that both Trump and Musk are "Enemies of We The People": Let them tear into each other: they will both end up diminished, for our benefit.
Who will come out on top? Probably Elon, because X is so much larger than Truth Social, and Musk is so much richer than Trump. I'm sure he could convince a few important people to try and remove the Felon, using the 25th Amendment, Section 4: Trump has not behaved like a president, like EVER, and his state of confusion is becoming ever more obvious.
I'm sure Musk could stick a few millions in corrupting this 'cabinet' [which is already incredibly corrupt] to turn on Trump and call him unfit...Elon and all his subsidies stay in place, JD Vance becomes President and keeps the Corrupt Cabinet to do his bidding.
Trump is a lame duck president anyway, and I think some Republican politicians are starting to think about the color of their parachute after Trump...
Bring the popcorn!
NOT interested in this feud.
"Take your eyes off the ball" USA!
I am surprised that you, Ken are even writing about this.
2 narcissists don't make a future.
Nope, but because of Citizens United, they hold our future in their hands...
Not so sure about that. Trump is a gangster. Don’t underestimate his appetite for vengeance and where he came from. Musk will take him down, but it’s looking more like the famous fighting dinos in NYC where no one emerges unscathed in the end.
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/fighting-dinos/the-fighting-dinosaurs
The presence of the ultrarich at the inauguration is evidence that they are eager to be on good terms with the President, no? They must pay homage knowing of the power he has to change their financial situation.
As for personal wealth, those at the top are extremely dependent on investors loving the shares of companies owned and that can change very quickly. It's certainly true that the ultrarich will not become homeless at any point, but their status, their ranking on the list of richest rich is very important to their sense of self-worth, crazy at that is. Dropping from #4 to #10, for example, would be devastating and likely to result in deep depression. Hard as it may be to believe by the 99%, those at the top, with the notable exception of Warren Buffett, are very insecure with their egos tightly bound to position regarding their peers. All the private jets, yachts, and mansions for a person that can only be in one room at a time just like the rest of us is testimony to this and the continual drive that will not let them let up on accumulation that is pointless when looked at rationally. For all the glamour, they are squirrels in a squirrel cage.