I think it would be useful to know the details about the criminal convictions. Homeland Security depicted Abrego-Garcia as a domestic violence perpetrator YET it was actually a dismissed allegation. Trump himself was charged with all sorts of crimes but the charges were dismissed. I am extremely skeptical about someone being labeled as a criminal without knowing the details. I am extremely skeptical about these raids in light of knowing there are quotas.
I don’t quite understand the lack of transparency. You would think the Administration would like to take credit for their enhanced enforcement. It might qlso partially quell some of the due process concerns because it would demonstrate at least basic efforts.
We also have no idea if many of those arrested for supposed "crimes" actually committed them. They could also be extremely minor and/or a long time ago. We shouldn't assume any kind of scruples from this rogue agency. When they say people are gang members, we should be skeptical. They sent some people to the El Salvador concentration camp claiming they were in a gang when they clearly weren't. So many innocents are being caught up in this machine, and even if you are a criminal, you still deserve to have your human and civil rights respected. This is why we are protesting.
One other very questionable criteria is this “known or suspected terrorists” as sec of state only a week or so ago charged grass roots community orgs in LA with ‘bankrolling domestic terrorism’. Given the overwhelming tendency of haphazard ‘enforcement’ I would not accept “identified by the FBI as members or associates of transnational criminal organizations” at face value.
This is where things get tricky. If someone is a suspected gang member (I’m assuming that means criminal organization that employs violence) then I would expect that person to be jailed or deported and then jailed. The criminal procedures are at the heart of due process and the Administration doesn’t want to spend the time or the money. That means the USA is going to have to make arrangements with the other countries to punish the deportee and if the other country has insufficient (let’s define this as not meeting Western standards) due process then it butterflies further: is the deportee in their country of origin or in a 3rd party country. I would hope that the Administration would select 3rd party countries that agree to implement substantive due process. Maybe the deportee could be offered deportation to the country of origin in cases where due process is limited versus a 3rd party country that has better adjudication.
I’m sure that some of what I’m asserting sounds crazy and I will concede that it’s only a bit more than half baked. My line of reasoning is that it’s (1) impractical for the USA to adjudicate hundreds of thousands or millions of criminal cases for felonies (serious crimes that aren’t limited to organized crime) involving illegal aliens (2) it might be feasible to distribute that burden across many other countries (3) the accused deserve their day in a “real” court which is paradoxical as these are the ones who elicit the least sympathy. I think these are all possible to do and my question is whether the Administration is willing to expend the effort to setup such a system.
"Mr. Trump, are you aware that each time you deport a 'brown' illegal/legal alien from US soil you might end up working in the fields for very limited pay?
I ask you Mr. Trump are your 'white' citizens going to take over this work?
Why exactly are there illegal aliens in the USA? Is it because all American Governments have waged wars in S. America because you did not like their politics.
To my mind Mr. TRUMP you have absolutely NO idea of your History vis a vis S. America.
As a moral person, I would advise all S. Americans to leave the USA forthwith.
"What?! We need them for farm work and other jobs we're unwilling to pay a living wage! How are we going to keep enough people poor and suppress wages if we can't dance around labor laws!?"
Of course, the reason these people are willing to risk it is that we've destroyed any government in Central and South America that threatened to raise their wages.
It's funny listening to Americans cry about Big Bad Trump when America for decades has been forcing monsters on other nations that make Trump look like the Dalai Lama.
So we destroy their homes and offer them jobs here, while also hunting them for sport. And this isn't new.
True! You enter illegally, remain illegally and work illegally, you break the law. Hence they are all criminals. They have intentionally distorted this entire picture to deliberately misconstrue the facts. Notice how they continually harp on the Latino's who clearly influence a negative reaction.
Why is it there is never any mention of the millions of Asians and other ethnicities who have all entered and remain in this Country illegally? It's such deliberate deception and diversion. What happens if a Chinese immigrant enters this Country as a spy and jeopardizes National Security? Should we rally around them also?
Keep in mind no one in this Country has ever been xenophobic. This Country was built on immigrants, who also came here legally, learned and spoke the language and never took a dime from the Government. They worked hard, abided by all the laws and got down on their hands and knee's and kissed the ground when they arrived. The joined and became part of American society.
That said there is no comparison whatsoever to those who've infiltrated this Country. They arrive and remain illegally, they vehemently refuse to learn the language but rather demand we become bilingual. They refuse to adapt to our culture but instead have taken over entire towns and turned them into their own communities and thrown us out!
I live in Bergen County New Jersey where there are well over one million illegals. They have taken over entire towns where there is no longer English signage on any of the stores. They have taken over real-estate agencies to assure no one else is allowed to buy or rent homes.
The filth and destruction is ubiquitous. It's how they live. It's their culture. They leave their countries for a better life, but then destroy ours. Each years billions of dollars are sent back to their Countries. They pay taxes is another egregious lie. TD bank was just fined 3 BILLION dollars for money laundering. It's where the illegals all did their banking. How is it possible they can get car loans and mortgages? No one hates illegals, they hate what they get away with.
If ICE was serious about going after anyone “illegal”, they could raid every meat packing plant in the country and very quickly reach whatever their quota is. Of course, that would lead to industry collapse. Hard to tell what their strategy is or if they even have one.
Who reports on/complains about DHS department issues as it continues, apparently freely, stuffed with more workers more public money? GIGO, if they WANTED to be decent and legal, could they? Who's applying unemotional factual pressure - especially through questions - on legislators re misusing public funds for dangerous ineffective service - to immigrants, that disappeared word refugees, DHS's own staff, and ultimately we taxpayers who not only pay but may even get caught in the net. And what consequences - including restitution - are meted out to department administrators and managers? The DHS inspector general is still going strong,
A taste below doesn't begin to cover ICE or CBP individually OR history back to Bush but you get the picture,
Going on for years, Trump1-Biden-Trump2,
". . . an agency established to protect the nation from security threats has doubled down on detaining migrants, sometimes in horrifying conditions, while failing to address the more immediate security threat caused by far-right extremism — even within the agency’s own ranks."
Stephen Miller’s Financial Stake in ICE Contractor Palantir. Over a dozen Trump appointees in the White House and Department of Homeland Security have owned stock in the controversial company raising privacy concerns across the political spectrum.
After 20 Years, the Department of Homeland Security Is a Money-Guzzling Failure | Opinion
"From its earliest beginnings, DHS has been associated with some of our country's worst scandals." "These abuses aren't peripheral to the department's operations—they're central."
One last bit, notice that rather than accurately assess and fix problems, DHS apparently chose to compound them with more bureaucracy, see Organizational Initiatives here,
I think it would be useful to know the details about the criminal convictions. Homeland Security depicted Abrego-Garcia as a domestic violence perpetrator YET it was actually a dismissed allegation. Trump himself was charged with all sorts of crimes but the charges were dismissed. I am extremely skeptical about someone being labeled as a criminal without knowing the details. I am extremely skeptical about these raids in light of knowing there are quotas.
Yeah that’s the issue, they don’t specify the crime. This data is all we have and ICE won’t even make this public
I don’t quite understand the lack of transparency. You would think the Administration would like to take credit for their enhanced enforcement. It might qlso partially quell some of the due process concerns because it would demonstrate at least basic efforts.
We also have no idea if many of those arrested for supposed "crimes" actually committed them. They could also be extremely minor and/or a long time ago. We shouldn't assume any kind of scruples from this rogue agency. When they say people are gang members, we should be skeptical. They sent some people to the El Salvador concentration camp claiming they were in a gang when they clearly weren't. So many innocents are being caught up in this machine, and even if you are a criminal, you still deserve to have your human and civil rights respected. This is why we are protesting.
https://bettergracesandliberations.substack.com/p/a-word-from-los-angeles
One other very questionable criteria is this “known or suspected terrorists” as sec of state only a week or so ago charged grass roots community orgs in LA with ‘bankrolling domestic terrorism’. Given the overwhelming tendency of haphazard ‘enforcement’ I would not accept “identified by the FBI as members or associates of transnational criminal organizations” at face value.
This is where things get tricky. If someone is a suspected gang member (I’m assuming that means criminal organization that employs violence) then I would expect that person to be jailed or deported and then jailed. The criminal procedures are at the heart of due process and the Administration doesn’t want to spend the time or the money. That means the USA is going to have to make arrangements with the other countries to punish the deportee and if the other country has insufficient (let’s define this as not meeting Western standards) due process then it butterflies further: is the deportee in their country of origin or in a 3rd party country. I would hope that the Administration would select 3rd party countries that agree to implement substantive due process. Maybe the deportee could be offered deportation to the country of origin in cases where due process is limited versus a 3rd party country that has better adjudication.
I’m sure that some of what I’m asserting sounds crazy and I will concede that it’s only a bit more than half baked. My line of reasoning is that it’s (1) impractical for the USA to adjudicate hundreds of thousands or millions of criminal cases for felonies (serious crimes that aren’t limited to organized crime) involving illegal aliens (2) it might be feasible to distribute that burden across many other countries (3) the accused deserve their day in a “real” court which is paradoxical as these are the ones who elicit the least sympathy. I think these are all possible to do and my question is whether the Administration is willing to expend the effort to setup such a system.
This where the USA is going. It's called RACISM
"Mr. Trump, are you aware that each time you deport a 'brown' illegal/legal alien from US soil you might end up working in the fields for very limited pay?
I ask you Mr. Trump are your 'white' citizens going to take over this work?
Why exactly are there illegal aliens in the USA? Is it because all American Governments have waged wars in S. America because you did not like their politics.
To my mind Mr. TRUMP you have absolutely NO idea of your History vis a vis S. America.
As a moral person, I would advise all S. Americans to leave the USA forthwith.
Let the 'white racists' do the job.
"What?! We need them for farm work and other jobs we're unwilling to pay a living wage! How are we going to keep enough people poor and suppress wages if we can't dance around labor laws!?"
Of course, the reason these people are willing to risk it is that we've destroyed any government in Central and South America that threatened to raise their wages.
It's funny listening to Americans cry about Big Bad Trump when America for decades has been forcing monsters on other nations that make Trump look like the Dalai Lama.
So we destroy their homes and offer them jobs here, while also hunting them for sport. And this isn't new.
That is a HILARIOUS statement.
@Ken Klippenstein - Leak they leak :-)
I disagree with your assessment.
They ALL are criminals for entering illegally.
DJT said just what Hillary and Barack said 20 years ago: deport them.
Here’s Nancy’s opinion:
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1933664057069801928?s=42
True! You enter illegally, remain illegally and work illegally, you break the law. Hence they are all criminals. They have intentionally distorted this entire picture to deliberately misconstrue the facts. Notice how they continually harp on the Latino's who clearly influence a negative reaction.
Why is it there is never any mention of the millions of Asians and other ethnicities who have all entered and remain in this Country illegally? It's such deliberate deception and diversion. What happens if a Chinese immigrant enters this Country as a spy and jeopardizes National Security? Should we rally around them also?
Keep in mind no one in this Country has ever been xenophobic. This Country was built on immigrants, who also came here legally, learned and spoke the language and never took a dime from the Government. They worked hard, abided by all the laws and got down on their hands and knee's and kissed the ground when they arrived. The joined and became part of American society.
That said there is no comparison whatsoever to those who've infiltrated this Country. They arrive and remain illegally, they vehemently refuse to learn the language but rather demand we become bilingual. They refuse to adapt to our culture but instead have taken over entire towns and turned them into their own communities and thrown us out!
I live in Bergen County New Jersey where there are well over one million illegals. They have taken over entire towns where there is no longer English signage on any of the stores. They have taken over real-estate agencies to assure no one else is allowed to buy or rent homes.
The filth and destruction is ubiquitous. It's how they live. It's their culture. They leave their countries for a better life, but then destroy ours. Each years billions of dollars are sent back to their Countries. They pay taxes is another egregious lie. TD bank was just fined 3 BILLION dollars for money laundering. It's where the illegals all did their banking. How is it possible they can get car loans and mortgages? No one hates illegals, they hate what they get away with.
Oh I think they are all going...come back LEGALLY please.
If ICE was serious about going after anyone “illegal”, they could raid every meat packing plant in the country and very quickly reach whatever their quota is. Of course, that would lead to industry collapse. Hard to tell what their strategy is or if they even have one.
They did.
One plant in Omaha, yes.
One plant in Omaha, yes.
Who reports on/complains about DHS department issues as it continues, apparently freely, stuffed with more workers more public money? GIGO, if they WANTED to be decent and legal, could they? Who's applying unemotional factual pressure - especially through questions - on legislators re misusing public funds for dangerous ineffective service - to immigrants, that disappeared word refugees, DHS's own staff, and ultimately we taxpayers who not only pay but may even get caught in the net. And what consequences - including restitution - are meted out to department administrators and managers? The DHS inspector general is still going strong,
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-federal-inspectors-general-fired/
A taste below doesn't begin to cover ICE or CBP individually OR history back to Bush but you get the picture,
Going on for years, Trump1-Biden-Trump2,
". . . an agency established to protect the nation from security threats has doubled down on detaining migrants, sometimes in horrifying conditions, while failing to address the more immediate security threat caused by far-right extremism — even within the agency’s own ranks."
https://www.pogo.org/podcasts/bad-watchdog
Employees in DHS inspector general’s office call for their boss to be fired
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/23/politics/joseph-cuffari-inspector-general/index.html
DHS inspector general pays $1.2M settlement to former deputy
https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/07/dhs-inspector-general-pays-12m-settlement-former-deputy/388892/
Independent panel calls for removal of Homeland Security watchdog
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4916465-cigie-calls-for-removal-dhs-inspector-general/
DHS IG committed ‘substantial misconduct,’ governmental watchdog finds. Whether Joseph Cuffari is removed or not is up to President Biden.
https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2024/10/dhs-ig-committed-substantial-misconduct-governmental-watchdog-finds/400068/
Stephen Miller’s Financial Stake in ICE Contractor Palantir. Over a dozen Trump appointees in the White House and Department of Homeland Security have owned stock in the controversial company raising privacy concerns across the political spectrum.
https://www.pogo.org/investigations/stephen-miller-conflicts-of-interest
After 20 Years, the Department of Homeland Security Is a Money-Guzzling Failure | Opinion
"From its earliest beginnings, DHS has been associated with some of our country's worst scandals." "These abuses aren't peripheral to the department's operations—they're central."
https://www.newsweek.com/after-20-years-department-homeland-security-money-guzzling-failure-opinion-1786484
Biden's controversial DHS 'experts' panel shuttered after being slapped with lawsuit
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-controversial-dhs-experts-panel-shuttered-slapped-lawsuit
Analysis. Recent Reforms Won’t Fix DHS Intelligence Abuses.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/recent-reforms-wont-fix-dhs-intelligence-abuses
One last bit, notice that rather than accurately assess and fix problems, DHS apparently chose to compound them with more bureaucracy, see Organizational Initiatives here,
https://www.dhs.gov/department-six-point-agenda
And even the crimes of that 1/3 are probably mostly fucking bullshit. This world is fucked.
Eloquent.