"Meanwhile, the mainstream media seems stuck in “fact-checker” pedant mode, having declared just days ago that the terrorism label was technically impossible."
This is a mistake I keep seeing by supposedly smart people. Trump's declarations are always so vague that they could mean anything at all. Smug liberals keep assuming that they have him bound down by rules, and that therefore his pronouncements mean nothing. In fact, he sets the rules (and liberals comply), so that his pronouncements mean whatever he wants them to, and he can retroactively determine what they mean (or are seen to have meant) from day to day.
Antifa isn't an organization, there are no members, so it is up to Trump and his federal police to decide who is a member or supporter, and what acts constitute (or are retroactively determined to have constituted) support.
It is also worth noting that this executive order comes right as liberals are patting themselves on the back for getting Jimmy Kimmel back on the air. Will their outcry be as loud for an action that criminalizes a widely-held belief, but doesn't interrupt their bedtime TV routine?
I always laugh sardonically when certain liberals bleat, “He can’t do that. It’s against the law.” So is attempting to overthrow the U.S. government, but look what happened.
Boy, I can't wait until the FBI comes to interview me for being anti fascist. 😂 I sincerely hope the FBI agents tasked with coming to harass me at my abode understand how heartily I intend to laugh in their faces. If not fascists, then why do fascist things?
I have a confession to make. My family and I have been indoctrinated into Antifa from a young age. Even before we were old enough to drink or vote, my father brought me and my sister to this disgusting film. I think it was called "Raiders of the Lost Ark". It's basically, a movie about punching fascists, shooting fascists, and (going by the "opening of the Ark" scene) boiling, electrocuting and exploding fascists. How revolting!
It's a big problem with Hollywood - they're always coming out with movies denigrating fascists, and I guess millions (tens of millions? hundreds of millions?) have also be indoctrinated into Antifa. I was a bit young to remember, but there was this other movie around the time - set in Chicago - where this couple of suits drove some fascists off a bridge. (Or was it the Sears building? It all blurs together.) They tell us "They're on a mission from God." Obviously, they were on a mission from Satan all along.
Thank you, Big Daddy Trump, for saving us from the scourge of anti-Fascism.
Punching, shooting, boiling and electrocuting fascists....and the indigenous brown or small-eyed "others" from which Indy (and Lara Croft) steal and rob. FWIW.
The Utah Governor, called the shooter, oneof our own. Mormon family, Online family Christmas photos, holding guns. There is no organization called, Antifa.
I know it’s history repeating itself - but in my 38-some years here, I can’t remember things being this awful. But, I still try to keep the humor! It’s just exhausting (probably because this all feels like the start of a worst case scenario). I’m getting on my private Antifa-plane as I speak.
Indeed! Take me with you! My comment was meant to be a comfort not more distress. I was recalling the stories of the Red Scare days, when so many Hollywood actors, writers, etc blacklisted and not allowed to perform their art.Really famous people! There are some great resources and film footage of the congressional hearings. Also, thought about the stories of the women and men of the feminist movement in the 1970's that formed the Jane abortion underground. They put so much of their lives on the line for their right to live and speak freely. So many brave Americans standing up for their 1st amendment rights for freedom to live without the burden of government forcing them to speak a certain way or to live a certain way. We'll get through this! And don't get me started about the Black Panther movement. Dangerous and brave. Antifa!
I try to joke… but secretly it’s a bit scary. I don’t know what to do for the next (how many) years? I don’t know what to do. But, thanks for the great reporting, as always Ken.
Hey AJ. I posted above regarding your earlier comment. For me, I'm getting deep into the soil, planting, harvesting, getting to know my neighbors, and just trying to be helpful. There is still a lot of humanity out there!
make sure this article goes far and wide. putting mangione in there is going to be backfire on them. most of the country was at least not-upset about that ceo getting whacked.
The national guard was brought out against labor organizers in the 1930s.
A war on ‘commies’ lasted from the 30s through the 70s, with the FBI harassing people to death and destruction for standing up for civil rights.
Nixon declared Marshall law against anti-Vietnam protesters, and inaugurated the modern carceral state.
Reagan flooded poor neighborhoods with crack, destroying a generation of black families and all but halting the rise of a black middle class.
Clinton labeled those same children ‘super predators,’ exploding the prison systems.
Cheney, Pearle, Kristol and Kagan wrote a manifesto about the problem of “too much democracy’ - and their project for the new American century is now in full flower. When anyone objected to their ‘war on terror,’ nice men in black suits paid them a visit.
The government has been at war against its own citizens for most of the last century. Trump is just so uncouth that he says it out loud and uncoded.
Here are some good reads with regard to the above post about most of the last century plus this one: American Midnight, Midnight Kingdom, Democracy Incorporated, (Managed democracy and the specter of inverted totalitarianism), the Devil‘s Chessboard, Silent Coup, The Unconscious Civilization, Blowback, and The Wrecking Crew. Happy Reading!
In a discussion with my wife the other day, I observed that at least the Trump admin does most of its shittiness openly (specifically regarding its anti-first amendment activities) instead of back-channeling via the SF FBI field office to Twitter executives.
I'm not defending Trump, but, yes Biden and the Democrats and the corporate media opened the door for this with their draconian and exaggerated war on "right wing insurrectionists" after the July 6 disorders at the Capitol. We can look at the videos and debate exactly what the right response should have been, but the legal and rhetorical scorched earth campaign was not much different in tone and partisan targeting than Trump's current antifa hysteria following Charlie Kirk assassination. Trump and the GOP have been looking for payback for a while now.
This EO just another half assed, ready-fire-aim approach to actual governing. Trump gets the media to show up and listen to him bloviate about 18 to 20 unrelated topics, signs it and goes into a drawer. Then he goes back to watching tv and saying stupid stuff on social media.
The fact that he is declaring a non-existent organization [Antifa] as "terrorist" does indicate that he is in fact a fascist, or why would he fight so called "Antifascism".
The vagueness which with he expresses himself is also something I have noted, just like 'Discount Gentleman'. It does indeed help him to fly under the radar, so to speak, and he has several ways of doing that, besides the famous "Fake News".
He will often say one thing *and* its opposite, leaving people baffled as to what the really means.
Or it was a "locker room remark" like the Hollywood tapes.
But his followers are tuned in and act on the worst of what he says. We had better do the same.
He is so prolific in his 'stream of consciousness" statements that Democrats are left puzzled, almost paralyzed.
This extremely privileged snow flake is complaining like a toddler . When are we going to create a "Party of the offended": One of the reason for his "wins", is that he is picking his victims one by one while all others feel paralyzed by the thought that "as long as it's not me....
But. if we rise all together, as we have been doing, he will eventually lose everything.
Keep going, make friends with all his enemies. We will be unbeatable!
"Meanwhile, the mainstream media seems stuck in “fact-checker” pedant mode, having declared just days ago that the terrorism label was technically impossible."
This is a mistake I keep seeing by supposedly smart people. Trump's declarations are always so vague that they could mean anything at all. Smug liberals keep assuming that they have him bound down by rules, and that therefore his pronouncements mean nothing. In fact, he sets the rules (and liberals comply), so that his pronouncements mean whatever he wants them to, and he can retroactively determine what they mean (or are seen to have meant) from day to day.
Antifa isn't an organization, there are no members, so it is up to Trump and his federal police to decide who is a member or supporter, and what acts constitute (or are retroactively determined to have constituted) support.
It is also worth noting that this executive order comes right as liberals are patting themselves on the back for getting Jimmy Kimmel back on the air. Will their outcry be as loud for an action that criminalizes a widely-held belief, but doesn't interrupt their bedtime TV routine?
I always laugh sardonically when certain liberals bleat, “He can’t do that. It’s against the law.” So is attempting to overthrow the U.S. government, but look what happened.
Boy, I can't wait until the FBI comes to interview me for being anti fascist. 😂 I sincerely hope the FBI agents tasked with coming to harass me at my abode understand how heartily I intend to laugh in their faces. If not fascists, then why do fascist things?
Get a burner phone for when you leave the country. Even if you're just driving to Canada or Mexico.
further, spend wayyyyy less time on or near your phone given that its r&d was literally financed by darpa.
I have a confession to make. My family and I have been indoctrinated into Antifa from a young age. Even before we were old enough to drink or vote, my father brought me and my sister to this disgusting film. I think it was called "Raiders of the Lost Ark". It's basically, a movie about punching fascists, shooting fascists, and (going by the "opening of the Ark" scene) boiling, electrocuting and exploding fascists. How revolting!
It's a big problem with Hollywood - they're always coming out with movies denigrating fascists, and I guess millions (tens of millions? hundreds of millions?) have also be indoctrinated into Antifa. I was a bit young to remember, but there was this other movie around the time - set in Chicago - where this couple of suits drove some fascists off a bridge. (Or was it the Sears building? It all blurs together.) They tell us "They're on a mission from God." Obviously, they were on a mission from Satan all along.
Thank you, Big Daddy Trump, for saving us from the scourge of anti-Fascism.
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[Yes, this should be obvious satire.]
Punching, shooting, boiling and electrocuting fascists....and the indigenous brown or small-eyed "others" from which Indy (and Lara Croft) steal and rob. FWIW.
The Utah Governor, called the shooter, oneof our own. Mormon family, Online family Christmas photos, holding guns. There is no organization called, Antifa.
Anti-fascist, communist, a terrorist designation by any other name wouldst smell as sweet.
Nothing to see here folks, just history repeating itself.
I know it’s history repeating itself - but in my 38-some years here, I can’t remember things being this awful. But, I still try to keep the humor! It’s just exhausting (probably because this all feels like the start of a worst case scenario). I’m getting on my private Antifa-plane as I speak.
Indeed! Take me with you! My comment was meant to be a comfort not more distress. I was recalling the stories of the Red Scare days, when so many Hollywood actors, writers, etc blacklisted and not allowed to perform their art.Really famous people! There are some great resources and film footage of the congressional hearings. Also, thought about the stories of the women and men of the feminist movement in the 1970's that formed the Jane abortion underground. They put so much of their lives on the line for their right to live and speak freely. So many brave Americans standing up for their 1st amendment rights for freedom to live without the burden of government forcing them to speak a certain way or to live a certain way. We'll get through this! And don't get me started about the Black Panther movement. Dangerous and brave. Antifa!
I declare war on fake tans, fake hair , bitcoin frauds whether left right or center
I try to joke… but secretly it’s a bit scary. I don’t know what to do for the next (how many) years? I don’t know what to do. But, thanks for the great reporting, as always Ken.
Hey AJ. I posted above regarding your earlier comment. For me, I'm getting deep into the soil, planting, harvesting, getting to know my neighbors, and just trying to be helpful. There is still a lot of humanity out there!
So what opinions are we allowed to have? Trump always has talked like this but the way that DHS has been unleashed on America, it's alarming.
make sure this article goes far and wide. putting mangione in there is going to be backfire on them. most of the country was at least not-upset about that ceo getting whacked.
The Republicans and Trump might be preparing to provoke unrest in late 2026 for manufacturing an excuse for a cancellation of the midterm elections.
Hell yeah
COINTELPRO 2
Probably more like a plain old continuation of a program that was never actually put to bed.
LOL. And the question to rightwing idiots: Why aren't the "leftist" Democrats or liberals protesting this?
Answer: Because their job is to shit on the left and serve as a bulwark against the working class for the Republicans, Trump and private capital. Duh.
But NEVER Israel. https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/22/israel-tpusa-donor-terminated-kirk/
IS the "domestic terrorist" designation new? It doesn't feel like it. The Biden administration was all about that, no?
This specific designation is new but the FBI focusing on "domestic terrorism" is not new. It's an escalation
Yep, Biden massively expanded the focus on "domestic terrorism." He set the stage for this, as for so much else.
Ah, Americans have short memories.
The national guard was brought out against labor organizers in the 1930s.
A war on ‘commies’ lasted from the 30s through the 70s, with the FBI harassing people to death and destruction for standing up for civil rights.
Nixon declared Marshall law against anti-Vietnam protesters, and inaugurated the modern carceral state.
Reagan flooded poor neighborhoods with crack, destroying a generation of black families and all but halting the rise of a black middle class.
Clinton labeled those same children ‘super predators,’ exploding the prison systems.
Cheney, Pearle, Kristol and Kagan wrote a manifesto about the problem of “too much democracy’ - and their project for the new American century is now in full flower. When anyone objected to their ‘war on terror,’ nice men in black suits paid them a visit.
The government has been at war against its own citizens for most of the last century. Trump is just so uncouth that he says it out loud and uncoded.
Here are some good reads with regard to the above post about most of the last century plus this one: American Midnight, Midnight Kingdom, Democracy Incorporated, (Managed democracy and the specter of inverted totalitarianism), the Devil‘s Chessboard, Silent Coup, The Unconscious Civilization, Blowback, and The Wrecking Crew. Happy Reading!
In a discussion with my wife the other day, I observed that at least the Trump admin does most of its shittiness openly (specifically regarding its anti-first amendment activities) instead of back-channeling via the SF FBI field office to Twitter executives.
I am not sure if the shamelessness is a feature, not a bug.
The Dems threw the election on purpose...
I'm not defending Trump, but, yes Biden and the Democrats and the corporate media opened the door for this with their draconian and exaggerated war on "right wing insurrectionists" after the July 6 disorders at the Capitol. We can look at the videos and debate exactly what the right response should have been, but the legal and rhetorical scorched earth campaign was not much different in tone and partisan targeting than Trump's current antifa hysteria following Charlie Kirk assassination. Trump and the GOP have been looking for payback for a while now.
This EO just another half assed, ready-fire-aim approach to actual governing. Trump gets the media to show up and listen to him bloviate about 18 to 20 unrelated topics, signs it and goes into a drawer. Then he goes back to watching tv and saying stupid stuff on social media.
The fact that he is declaring a non-existent organization [Antifa] as "terrorist" does indicate that he is in fact a fascist, or why would he fight so called "Antifascism".
The vagueness which with he expresses himself is also something I have noted, just like 'Discount Gentleman'. It does indeed help him to fly under the radar, so to speak, and he has several ways of doing that, besides the famous "Fake News".
He will often say one thing *and* its opposite, leaving people baffled as to what the really means.
Or it was a "locker room remark" like the Hollywood tapes.
But his followers are tuned in and act on the worst of what he says. We had better do the same.
He is so prolific in his 'stream of consciousness" statements that Democrats are left puzzled, almost paralyzed.
This extremely privileged snow flake is complaining like a toddler . When are we going to create a "Party of the offended": One of the reason for his "wins", is that he is picking his victims one by one while all others feel paralyzed by the thought that "as long as it's not me....
But. if we rise all together, as we have been doing, he will eventually lose everything.
Keep going, make friends with all his enemies. We will be unbeatable!