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mefoolonhill's avatar

Looks to me like Mamdani is offering an olive branch to the Zionists in NYC, which IMHO is a mistake. And, Tisch staged that ridiculous dog-and-pony show with Eric Adams on the day they hauled Luigi Mangione in for indictment. This appointment is hugely disappointing.

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

oh i hadn't even thought about the mangione connection. what did she say ?

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Meat Tomato's avatar

She talks about the Mangione case in this NY Mag interview: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/nypd-commissioner-jessica-tisch-eric-adams.html

Notably, she denies being at the perp walk when asked about it. There’s pics of her there, though: https://www.gettyimages.com/editorial-images/news/event/luigi%C2%A0mangione-arrives-in-new-york-to-face-murder-charges-in-ceo-death/776257329

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

Insane

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Mark Hubert's avatar

I appreciate you holding this issue to the fire light.

I’m going to hold judgement for at least the first 100 days in office.

With victory Mamdani is now playing Chess for his literal life.

He’s going to need to advance the People’s agenda swiftly while managing to keep the violent forces at bay.

As you well know the security state, and more specifically the profiteers will kill to retain their power.

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X K's avatar

"As you well know the security state, and more specifically the profiteers will kill to retain their power."

I want to say that's an exaggeration, but with the Israelis/Mossad part of the picture, well, that's just what they do. I mean, just one example, those exploding handheld devices...

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Michael A's avatar

Interesting reading - as a native New Yorker who was downtown during 9/11, I’m not opposed to strong counterterrorism. But these political compromises are going to quickly add up.

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

ya just using that as an example of how NYPD represents more than just ordinary crime fighting - it's a sprawling system

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Tom's avatar

Does this mean that the free bus and subway fares will be contingent on having one's face scanned and entered into a Palantir database, or that the city run grocery stores will require the use of digital ID?

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

lol

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Tom's avatar

Haha, I was only half joking too!

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X K's avatar

I wasn't taking it halfway!

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Todd Michael  Edelman's avatar

The Mayor can fire the Commissioner at any time, right? (I'm not talking about the political risks or issues with police force objections...)

It's gracious to give her the opportunity to change her plan... It's smart diplomacy that doesn't have to to be a sellout.

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X K's avatar

Kinda raises the question though, why did he make such a high stakes decision now? He could have waited until after the inauguration to can her, saying he'd given plenty of consideration and she had to go, rather than locking her in now.

Off to a very bad start in my estimation.

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Todd Michael  Edelman's avatar

How is she locked in? My suggestion is that she should be dismissed but that it is her decision

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John Reynolds's avatar

"Jessica S. Tisch

@NYPDPC

The reach of the NYPD is truly extraordinary, particularly as it relates to our intelligence and counterterrorism apparatus. We have over a dozen detectives embedded within international law enforcement agencies who serve as our eyes and ears for threat awareness overseas.

This morning,

@NYCMayor

and I got an extraordinary briefing from our detectives stationed in Israel, UAE, Qatar, and Jordan on events unfolding in the Middle East. Over the past week, they have also gone above and beyond, using their contacts to help New Yorkers seeking to evacuate and get home.

May God bless these men and keep them safe.

Quote

Mayor Eric Adams

@NYCMayor

·

Jun 22

This morning, @NYPDPC and I convened our international liaisons for a briefing to discuss the situation in the Middle East and how it affects us here at home.

Out of an abundance of caution, we have increased police presence at religious, cultural, and diplomatic sites

"

Why does NYC need their police stationed in the Middle East?

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

Exactly. The FBI and various federal agencies are already supposed to be monitoring this stuff

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Pumpkin potato's avatar

I don’t understand what this move buys him. Why not replace her, what was the cost of doing so?

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

i don't have any inside knowledge but i imagine he's just choosing the path of least resistance

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

(what he thinks is that, anyway)

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Scott's avatar

Repeat in one paragraph:

"Mamdani might think he’s choosing the path of least resistance, but what he’s really chosen is a straitjacket. But his decision is a straitjacket."

Hire me as an editor

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

fixed!

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Bill D.'s avatar

Delighted to see him moving slightly towards the center. Will make it tougher for the extreme right to paint him as some kind of "radical crime-loving leftist."

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StanleyTwoBrix's avatar

When had that ever worked?

Seriously, the preemptive compromises are why we are in the hellscape we currently inhabit.

The Democrats have been "moving to the center" for so long they have fully embraced the Bush Administration, choosing to campaign with Liz Fucking Cheney rather than Bernie or AOC, and wouldn't even let a Palestinian speak at the DNC.

Before that, Obama reneged on his promises of the public option, and instead of putting the criminals who blew up the world's economy in jail, he continued Bush/Paulson's no strings but lot of profits bail out.

What have those compromises given us? TRUMP.

How many times did it have to be said that compromising good ideas until they become useless only discredits efforts to move this society forward?

God Almighty, if Mamdani turns out to be just another Obama, I will truly be bereft of hope.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

The one thing Mamdani has that Obama never did, is long-standing support for his positions. They seem to be fundamental to who he is. No one can say that about Obama.

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Tom's avatar
6hEdited

When you really go back and look at Obama, he never really had *any* positions on *anything*... he was a curated and groomed product of the old money national security Democrat base wrapped up in a super thin lepht-ish shiny wrapper that if you looked closely enough, anyone could have seen he was a phony. The great irony of it all is that the right (which has morphed into MAGA) gets it totally 180 degrees from the truth in terms of HOW Obama was a failure. Well, other than the tiny few who really didn't want more wars or to bail out Wall Street.

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X K's avatar

He talked a good game... for awhile. In one of his videos Norman Finkelstein said Obama even admitted he stood for nothing. That's what we got, except for a continuation of things as they are, and deteriorating.

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Abigail Joy's avatar

Disappointing. Hope this isn't another Fetterman or Obama 😩

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Tom's avatar
6hEdited

There is so much potential for written analysis in this comment. Fetterman and Obama were both the product of the convergence of a desperate (and angry) DNC upper crust, donor elite, and angry foot soldiers but for different reasons and manifesting in two very different politicians, once in office. Both miserable failures {initially to the plebes and foot soldiers and later to the viability of the party} to be sure, but also for different reasons.

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Dante Fiallo's avatar

Perhaps I'm unjustly giving the benefit of the doubt here, but is this not a strategically advantageous move? Is Tisch not the one actually in the straitjacket here? It's my understanding that the NYPD police commissioner serves at the pleasure of the mayor, so at anytime, for any reason, Mamdani can sack her. Mamdani announced his intention to keep her before the election, which seemed a good move to garner support to get into office, which he now has. But, aside from breaking any possible promises and deals he's made in regards to Tisch, there is nothing stopping him from sacking her. When push comes to shove, she can be easily sacrificed by Mamdani in a given situation regarding the NYPD. The optics could actually be quite good depending on the given situation in which he may dismiss her. It'll look like he at least gave her a chance. Until such an occurrence, we'd see how compliant Tisch is willing to be with the Mamdani administration. It may be a timing thing, waiting for a good reason to drop her without totally shattering the support he garnered by keeping her initially.

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

Tisch reportedly will only stay if she’s allowed to keep running things as she has been. Hard to see that as anything but a loss for Mamdani imo

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Dante Fiallo's avatar

I agree, it's a hit to his image for sure. But this seems to me, an interim period. Some political smack talk and boasting. Hard to say what's really going on with arrangements underneath public statements.

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X K's avatar

But as I asked above, why make a decision on her now? He could easily have waited, implicitly signalling he's weighing the issue, and then can her.

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ellis derby's avatar

Yeah I think “first loss” is overdoing it, but the article is good and following Mamdani’s compromises carefully is great. If he delivers real benefits to NY and New Yorkers by changing the deals that all go to the banks, wall st and powerful corporate interests, open up real competition for services and businesses in NY, without being strangled by his enemies, it will be a success. How much he has to trade for that is something to watch. Thanks for your reporting.

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Randy S. Eisenberg's avatar

Same old. (yawn). Did I ever feel otherwise? For a few moments here and there. There’s a trite aphorism that says something about it, I can’t think of it at the moment. But why bother? I’m just a Coastal Elite.

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X K's avatar

Does my subscription automatically renew? Don't want to see a lapse in my support of journalism like this.

Well, it's happened, already. Mamdani comes down a few pegs, unfortunately, even though perhaps inevitable. My naive bet was that he was going to send Tisch packing, not the least for her support of Israel. There should be no place in American government, especially the higher and more conspicuous levels, for Israeli and Zionist supporters and apologists (take note, budding 2028 presidential candidates). Coupled with the national security-surveillance state omnipresence, ample reason to send her packing, and to send a message. Alas, not.

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

Glad you find the reporting useful!

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X K's avatar

More than useful. Informative. Educational. Essential.

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Ken Klippenstein's avatar

:)

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Catherine  Cary's avatar

I know it’s not the exact same scenario, but I can’t help but think back to how when the Solidarity workers toppled the Soviet Union in Poland, the first thing they did was kick out all lingering KGB agents & affiliates in the country before they did anything else. Belarus didn’t follow Poland’s example like the other satellite states did before they rebuilt, and it ended up in the position it is today as an intrinsic extension of Russia.

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Susan Becraft's avatar

Ever the cynic when it comes to politics, I predict that Mamdani will fold like a cheap suit. Obama people as advisors, Tisch as Police Commissioner, olive branches to NYC Zionists - these don’t bode well, imo. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m having flashbacks to Obama.

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X K's avatar

Hope you're wrong too, but as Lily Tomlin has said, "No matter how cynical I get I just can't keep up."

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