The media is losing their minds to politicize a tragedy at the behest of an out of control Executive. This is by and far the most level headed attempt to understand the person who murdered someone. Based on this and the reporting that he's not cooperating with police, I suspect we won't fully know why until after a trial and even then.. another reason to tune out the talking heads. They don't have our best interests in mind and want us grabbing guns to shoot our neighbors for clicks and ratings and profit for them. Don't fall for it.
This is so enlightening and amazing work, the shock from his family and friends should go to show that everyone is capable of violence and bad things, and how hypocritical /
No sorry, I just saw the moms posts on facebook of him which are very loving and remind me of the posts my mom makes of me, the family convinced him to turn himself in etc, it doesn’t seem like they even considered he was capable of this
I’m young so I had to google what you meant but I see that reagan’s politics and rise was built on his “family values” ideas, but I think I might be missing your point and am curious, is it that this sort of divisiveness in society is bc of these “family values” started with reagan? I don’t necessary disagree but I do t know enough about the topic to be able to agree or disagree but would be i treated in learning more, I just wanted to point out that we are all human and therefore capable of bad things and in order for our leaders to govern effectively they need acknowledge that instead of continue to use this event for political expedience
Yes we are all 'human.' This is the point I am making.
Think about what 'Family Values' really mean. Is it that you are beholden to you family regardless of who you are as a person?
IF you walked into your family home and told your parents that you were 'gay/bi etc.' Would they support you?
Some families accept these facts others do not.
What 'bad things?' You were born into a family that SHOULD accept their children for who they are taking NO notice of gossip.
I am suggesting that those who are not accepted revert to the internet to find help and sustenance. Often this can lead youngsters into nefarious sites?
Definitely youngsters I would say can and are doing that, I think I see the hypocrisy you’re pointing out in that the right preaches family values, some of them may only give the love a parent should conditioned upon certain things, I think this goes both ways but is a stark example of the hypocrisy
I was raised in a Christian conservative home and am now on the left and am atheist/agnostic, but I remember a time when I found myself on red pilled subreddits ect and eventually moved left as I got older, listened to people around me, learned and challenged myself, luckily I was born in a loving household that supports me either way, what I’m saying is that I understand how someone could become lost without unconditional love in their life which I think is what you mean by family values and is a great point that I didn’t think of until you pointed it out so thank you!
It seems that the response to Kirk’s death is being twisted into a call to arms against whichever side you happen to be against, the cold civil war. We could be on the precipice of a hot civil war.
Wow, Ken. Great reporting here. This young man is nothing like anything reported so far in my opinion & based on your deep dive article, it's more than we imagined. This seems a new phenomenon among this gen and you're the first to explain it in the words of this group. So normal in so many ways. Nihilism seems to be a cancer working it's way through this young gamer population. Bravo, you!
I got really caught up in the “left vs. right” debate from mainstream media and snippets of interviews from different people which brought out a range of emotions regarding this case. After reading this article, I do appreciate the actual journalism that was done where the layers to this story were peeled back to show this was a horrific act done by someone who was perceived to be “normal” in this particular community and now those there are having to deal with the fallout of it.
Fascinating, Ken. Yet another example of the MSM, the political class and the government churning the waters with the intention of causing more discord, as it were, among us, by withholding information. I wonder if we’ll ever know the motive, assuming that Tyler Robinson was the shooter. In the meantime, the shooting has given the government yet more (flimsy) reasons to spy on us. On a personal note, the @LibsOfTikTok unearthed a FB post made by a teacher at my great nieces’ elementary school, in which she called Kirk a racist who didn’t deserve to be killed. A (vile) Pittsburgh radio talk show host is now on a mission to get her fired. Given what’s happening to anyone who speaks ill of Israel, he’ll probably succeed. But I digress.
Thank you as always, Ken, for reporting the truth.
I guess when you are someone who has an agenda, it's hard to not see an agenda in everyone else, and not to turn every action you see into something furthering an agenda.
Thanks for the information. Although, 'accused' shows up in the next line, this headline says it's a fact, not an allegation, "Exclusive: Leaked Messages from Charlie Kirk Assassin."
This is such a smart insight — “When you are someone who has an agenda, it's hard to not see an agenda in everyone else, and not to turn every action you see into something furthering an agenda.” That’s exactly what’s happening and it’s seductive. And addictive — a kind of narcotic. And contagious.
How really very very odd. I'm not surprised at the partisan spin and lying, and I don't suspect a conspiracy whereby it turns out Robinson was a hired killer -- but there is not a single clue that sheds any light on why he shot Kirk. Not even any indication that he would ever shoot another human being. I remarked to my husband last week that I wondered if Robinson had only meant to scare Kirk or disrupt the event. If he meant to kill him, why didn't he have the capacity to see what a grave act that is, to take another life? Why wasn't he more emotional about it? The other oddity is no indication that Robinson had plotted in advance the technical details of carrying out such a shooting. How long in advance did he know Kirk would be doing this event? Maybe he knew the campus so well the plan came easy to him. But it is still extraordinary he moved undetected before and after, fired one shot, and Kirk was dead. Maybe someday, I hope soon, he will fully explain to the world how this all came to pass.
I saw article leaking texts between Robinson and his lover last night and and it dawned on me that this whole tragedy is likely the result of this kid growing up as a bisexual in a conservative gun-toting home. He probably had to keep who he really was a secret from his family- and Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric likely stood for everything he was oppressed by. Then, the fact that he was in love with a trans person who has likely been suffering because of today’s climate and Charlie’s rhetoric - he just flipped one day and said “I’m taking this guy out.”
It was a lot to hold.
Obviously no justification for murder, but I can see how a young kid under that much pressure and in love with someone he interprets as oppressed by the words of his target might have flipped out in one way or another
I've been mulling it over for a few hours, and here's what I think. Tyler Robinson was not motivated by the ideological divisions we have become so familiar with. He was not, in general, uncomfortable with conservative politics; he was raised in it. He doesn't seem to have had any interest in starting or furthering a civil war. And he obviously wasn't looking for his fifteen minutes of fame; he thought he could get away with it.
No, he did this for a very simple reason: Charlie Kirk's political project was harming his trans lover.
It is a bit shocking to see how casually he seems to think of killing someone, as if real life were just a computer game. He did a terrible, awful thing, and he should be brought to justice (though personally, I hope he doesn't get the death penalty).
That’s exactly what Ive been feeling. It was a mix of the repression he himself has experienced growing up a bisexual in a conservative gun-toting home mixed with the passion of a man in love with a trans person who has suffered from Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric
Exactly. “The federal government, the Washington crowd and corporate media (based in Washington and New York) see the country in wholly partisan terms, Republican versus Democrat, Red versus Blue, old media versus social media, liberal versus conservative, right versus left, straight versus gay, and on and on. “
I might suggest adding “a person’s real life versus their online persona”
Ken Klipz seemingly doing the only real journalism out there, yet again.
I had him pegged for a Groyper but I’m ready to be wrong. Inscrutable nihilist might be the answer in the end.
The media is losing their minds to politicize a tragedy at the behest of an out of control Executive. This is by and far the most level headed attempt to understand the person who murdered someone. Based on this and the reporting that he's not cooperating with police, I suspect we won't fully know why until after a trial and even then.. another reason to tune out the talking heads. They don't have our best interests in mind and want us grabbing guns to shoot our neighbors for clicks and ratings and profit for them. Don't fall for it.
This is so enlightening and amazing work, the shock from his family and friends should go to show that everyone is capable of violence and bad things, and how hypocritical /
dishonest our leaders are
The 'shock from his family?' Was he able to talk to them and still be accepted?
No sorry, I just saw the moms posts on facebook of him which are very loving and remind me of the posts my mom makes of me, the family convinced him to turn himself in etc, it doesn’t seem like they even considered he was capable of this
This is 'Family Values' courtesy of Reagan.
I’m young so I had to google what you meant but I see that reagan’s politics and rise was built on his “family values” ideas, but I think I might be missing your point and am curious, is it that this sort of divisiveness in society is bc of these “family values” started with reagan? I don’t necessary disagree but I do t know enough about the topic to be able to agree or disagree but would be i treated in learning more, I just wanted to point out that we are all human and therefore capable of bad things and in order for our leaders to govern effectively they need acknowledge that instead of continue to use this event for political expedience
Hello Chris. I value this comment.
Yes we are all 'human.' This is the point I am making.
Think about what 'Family Values' really mean. Is it that you are beholden to you family regardless of who you are as a person?
IF you walked into your family home and told your parents that you were 'gay/bi etc.' Would they support you?
Some families accept these facts others do not.
What 'bad things?' You were born into a family that SHOULD accept their children for who they are taking NO notice of gossip.
I am suggesting that those who are not accepted revert to the internet to find help and sustenance. Often this can lead youngsters into nefarious sites?
Definitely youngsters I would say can and are doing that, I think I see the hypocrisy you’re pointing out in that the right preaches family values, some of them may only give the love a parent should conditioned upon certain things, I think this goes both ways but is a stark example of the hypocrisy
I was raised in a Christian conservative home and am now on the left and am atheist/agnostic, but I remember a time when I found myself on red pilled subreddits ect and eventually moved left as I got older, listened to people around me, learned and challenged myself, luckily I was born in a loving household that supports me either way, what I’m saying is that I understand how someone could become lost without unconditional love in their life which I think is what you mean by family values and is a great point that I didn’t think of until you pointed it out so thank you!
It seems that the response to Kirk’s death is being twisted into a call to arms against whichever side you happen to be against, the cold civil war. We could be on the precipice of a hot civil war.
YOU are going to have a Civil War but it will be a Religious war.
You lost the plot when you went for LGBT rights etc. You should have been taking 'Family Values' apart.
What is the percentage of kids in the USA who REALLY talk to their parents?
Why are they on all these websites?
Wow, Ken. Great reporting here. This young man is nothing like anything reported so far in my opinion & based on your deep dive article, it's more than we imagined. This seems a new phenomenon among this gen and you're the first to explain it in the words of this group. So normal in so many ways. Nihilism seems to be a cancer working it's way through this young gamer population. Bravo, you!
I've said it before this is why I subscribe because Ken does real journalism and doesn't just report on press releases. Best $10/month I spend.
thanks!!
I got really caught up in the “left vs. right” debate from mainstream media and snippets of interviews from different people which brought out a range of emotions regarding this case. After reading this article, I do appreciate the actual journalism that was done where the layers to this story were peeled back to show this was a horrific act done by someone who was perceived to be “normal” in this particular community and now those there are having to deal with the fallout of it.
Since thee is NO 'left' in the USA. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Point taken.
Being raised in a conservative Mormon CULTure it can really mess an LGBTQ kid up. This is very sad and very predictable.
I’m guessing the “leftist” referred to by the racist “good” Mormon Governor was not hating LGBTQ people.
Fascinating, Ken. Yet another example of the MSM, the political class and the government churning the waters with the intention of causing more discord, as it were, among us, by withholding information. I wonder if we’ll ever know the motive, assuming that Tyler Robinson was the shooter. In the meantime, the shooting has given the government yet more (flimsy) reasons to spy on us. On a personal note, the @LibsOfTikTok unearthed a FB post made by a teacher at my great nieces’ elementary school, in which she called Kirk a racist who didn’t deserve to be killed. A (vile) Pittsburgh radio talk show host is now on a mission to get her fired. Given what’s happening to anyone who speaks ill of Israel, he’ll probably succeed. But I digress.
Thank you as always, Ken, for reporting the truth.
I guess when you are someone who has an agenda, it's hard to not see an agenda in everyone else, and not to turn every action you see into something furthering an agenda.
Thanks for the information. Although, 'accused' shows up in the next line, this headline says it's a fact, not an allegation, "Exclusive: Leaked Messages from Charlie Kirk Assassin."
This is such a smart insight — “When you are someone who has an agenda, it's hard to not see an agenda in everyone else, and not to turn every action you see into something furthering an agenda.” That’s exactly what’s happening and it’s seductive. And addictive — a kind of narcotic. And contagious.
Great reporting Ken, thank you.
More actual new information here than in all the other MSM pieces combined.
How really very very odd. I'm not surprised at the partisan spin and lying, and I don't suspect a conspiracy whereby it turns out Robinson was a hired killer -- but there is not a single clue that sheds any light on why he shot Kirk. Not even any indication that he would ever shoot another human being. I remarked to my husband last week that I wondered if Robinson had only meant to scare Kirk or disrupt the event. If he meant to kill him, why didn't he have the capacity to see what a grave act that is, to take another life? Why wasn't he more emotional about it? The other oddity is no indication that Robinson had plotted in advance the technical details of carrying out such a shooting. How long in advance did he know Kirk would be doing this event? Maybe he knew the campus so well the plan came easy to him. But it is still extraordinary he moved undetected before and after, fired one shot, and Kirk was dead. Maybe someday, I hope soon, he will fully explain to the world how this all came to pass.
I saw article leaking texts between Robinson and his lover last night and and it dawned on me that this whole tragedy is likely the result of this kid growing up as a bisexual in a conservative gun-toting home. He probably had to keep who he really was a secret from his family- and Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric likely stood for everything he was oppressed by. Then, the fact that he was in love with a trans person who has likely been suffering because of today’s climate and Charlie’s rhetoric - he just flipped one day and said “I’m taking this guy out.”
It was a lot to hold.
Obviously no justification for murder, but I can see how a young kid under that much pressure and in love with someone he interprets as oppressed by the words of his target might have flipped out in one way or another
The part about “getting an opportunity” is still very strange
Thanks for the report!
I've been mulling it over for a few hours, and here's what I think. Tyler Robinson was not motivated by the ideological divisions we have become so familiar with. He was not, in general, uncomfortable with conservative politics; he was raised in it. He doesn't seem to have had any interest in starting or furthering a civil war. And he obviously wasn't looking for his fifteen minutes of fame; he thought he could get away with it.
No, he did this for a very simple reason: Charlie Kirk's political project was harming his trans lover.
It is a bit shocking to see how casually he seems to think of killing someone, as if real life were just a computer game. He did a terrible, awful thing, and he should be brought to justice (though personally, I hope he doesn't get the death penalty).
But he did it out of love.
That’s exactly what Ive been feeling. It was a mix of the repression he himself has experienced growing up a bisexual in a conservative gun-toting home mixed with the passion of a man in love with a trans person who has suffered from Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric
Free subscriber for a while, but this made me cough up. Opinions are cheap, but this reframes the whole debate. Great stuff!
Thanks Dave !
Exactly. “The federal government, the Washington crowd and corporate media (based in Washington and New York) see the country in wholly partisan terms, Republican versus Democrat, Red versus Blue, old media versus social media, liberal versus conservative, right versus left, straight versus gay, and on and on. “
I might suggest adding “a person’s real life versus their online persona”