What pisses me off about this? These blue state governors like Newsom have authority over their state National Guards -- until the guard gets federalized as in the Insurrection Act. Governors have had control over their state forces all along (including state law enforcement). They should have anticipated their communities would be targets and mobilized these forces to get ICE to stand down months ago. Same for Democratic mayors and councils mobilizing local LEO. Now, here we are. Once again, Dem leadership is completely cowardly and useless.
It's the Uniparty. It helps to keep that in the forefront when thinking about the Democrats and Republicans. It's just a stylistic difference, like a changing the name on a storefront, while the contents remain the same.
It seems like some Democratic governors, mayors, sheriffs do not want to challenge the fascist actions of the Trump regime. They may be hoping that Trump takes a quick win and goes away. Minneapolis had a notable exceptional Chief. I pray that the communities affected by this leave their guns at home and do as John Lewis or MLK would have done. It must be done, but peacefully so that the shame the regime brings on itself may also bring it down.
Three months ago in another forum, as Trump was firing the JAGs, people were downplaying any worry and said the military would never allow itself to be used against Americans. I said:
"If the military are given the order to "unconstitutionally turn your arms onto the American people," they will certainly disobey. But that isn't how it is done, it is done in stages, and with a series of less and less plausible covers.
E.g. Eventually, there will be an ugly crime committed by an immigrant. Trump declares an emergency. He deploys the national guard to support the police in defending against the "foreign threat." He deploys certain regular army units to "provide support to the national guard." No one has unconstitutionally turned their arms onto the American people, but he's begun a pattern of deploying the military inside the US against supposed threats. The next step just goes a little farther than the last one."
I will not only subscribe but will donate 15% of my wealth to the KK Benevolent Society if you never post a picture of that repulsive hairless graduate of the Birthright Israel program again $$
When the government sinks into illegality, it is We The People who will respond. They can govern over us, but only with the consent of the governed. Right now, they don't have that.
In the case of immigration, kidnapping by masked armed men refusing to identify themselves, not showing a warrant, removal without due process are all illegal acts. These "ICE AGENTS" must be punished like any citizen who would commit an abduction without proper process.
So film, take pictures, especially of their vehicles if they don't let you take pics of themselves. Document, document, document.
No one has to abide by an illegal order, and everyone in the National Guard should be told that.: Lakeworthgrouch has the right answer: uprising everywhere at the same time: There are not enough prisons to hold everyone who stand up.
There is a reason why they have to identify themselves properly: If they don't, how do we know they are not regular perps out to rob us or kill us? Anyone can wear a phony or borrowed uniform and pretend to be what they are not.
Mr. Homan, Ms. Bondi are clearly acting illegally. The Governors do not owe them any courtesy or consideration.
Federal officers need to make a personal decision. Labor unions are involved now. We have a history of armed conflict between government and labor, but there are far too many guns now, so decisions must be made. I’ve seen enough from the support for Mangione to know that people would very much support unions in armed conflict against the government. If individuals come into harm’s way, it is their choice. Following orders is no longer an acceptable excuse.
I was just thinking about how nothing could happen where I live bc I’m in Texas… but actually it COULD bc all the National Guard are at the border. 😂😅😅😬
“Law enforcement” is boot-licking slave patrol. They deserve ZERO respect, only scorn, shame and resistance. You get what you give. The only positive thing about all this is that more people are waking up on how abusive and grotesque policing is. Black and brown folks have been telling us this from the beginning. Now, white people are waking up.
Gun owners who don't align with this regime -- now is the time to fight back. To shoot back. The day has come. Kill these motherfuckers. If they're gonna call this an insurrection, then by god, give them the real deal.
“Demonstrators clashed with federal authorities and attempted to force their way into the Roybal Federal Building”
“Violence against federal agents…”
You have to mention these things or else your reporting is not accurate. These are people’s sons, brothers husbands, wives, sisters. They are doing their job. No one should be able to hurt them. If you’re damaging property, you’re going to be arrested. There is a difference between protesting and hurting people and breaking things and destroying property. Your reporting suggests that there is a peaceful protest, and the National Guard is being brought in against peaceful protesters. If the National Guard is being brought in against violent protesters and people damaging property and acting against federal agents, this is completely different. Jesus.
Hope these protests pop up everywhere, glad to see some real human beings throwing down and not being passive cattle looking the other way
ICE thugs need to stay out of California & hopefully we can stir enough trouble to make them reconsider.
What pisses me off about this? These blue state governors like Newsom have authority over their state National Guards -- until the guard gets federalized as in the Insurrection Act. Governors have had control over their state forces all along (including state law enforcement). They should have anticipated their communities would be targets and mobilized these forces to get ICE to stand down months ago. Same for Democratic mayors and councils mobilizing local LEO. Now, here we are. Once again, Dem leadership is completely cowardly and useless.
It's the Uniparty. It helps to keep that in the forefront when thinking about the Democrats and Republicans. It's just a stylistic difference, like a changing the name on a storefront, while the contents remain the same.
Uniparty- excellent way to think about it.
It seems like some Democratic governors, mayors, sheriffs do not want to challenge the fascist actions of the Trump regime. They may be hoping that Trump takes a quick win and goes away. Minneapolis had a notable exceptional Chief. I pray that the communities affected by this leave their guns at home and do as John Lewis or MLK would have done. It must be done, but peacefully so that the shame the regime brings on itself may also bring it down.
Three months ago in another forum, as Trump was firing the JAGs, people were downplaying any worry and said the military would never allow itself to be used against Americans. I said:
"If the military are given the order to "unconstitutionally turn your arms onto the American people," they will certainly disobey. But that isn't how it is done, it is done in stages, and with a series of less and less plausible covers.
E.g. Eventually, there will be an ugly crime committed by an immigrant. Trump declares an emergency. He deploys the national guard to support the police in defending against the "foreign threat." He deploys certain regular army units to "provide support to the national guard." No one has unconstitutionally turned their arms onto the American people, but he's begun a pattern of deploying the military inside the US against supposed threats. The next step just goes a little farther than the last one."
And so here we are.
I will not only subscribe but will donate 15% of my wealth to the KK Benevolent Society if you never post a picture of that repulsive hairless graduate of the Birthright Israel program again $$
When the government sinks into illegality, it is We The People who will respond. They can govern over us, but only with the consent of the governed. Right now, they don't have that.
In the case of immigration, kidnapping by masked armed men refusing to identify themselves, not showing a warrant, removal without due process are all illegal acts. These "ICE AGENTS" must be punished like any citizen who would commit an abduction without proper process.
So film, take pictures, especially of their vehicles if they don't let you take pics of themselves. Document, document, document.
No one has to abide by an illegal order, and everyone in the National Guard should be told that.: Lakeworthgrouch has the right answer: uprising everywhere at the same time: There are not enough prisons to hold everyone who stand up.
There is a reason why they have to identify themselves properly: If they don't, how do we know they are not regular perps out to rob us or kill us? Anyone can wear a phony or borrowed uniform and pretend to be what they are not.
Mr. Homan, Ms. Bondi are clearly acting illegally. The Governors do not owe them any courtesy or consideration.
Federal officers need to make a personal decision. Labor unions are involved now. We have a history of armed conflict between government and labor, but there are far too many guns now, so decisions must be made. I’ve seen enough from the support for Mangione to know that people would very much support unions in armed conflict against the government. If individuals come into harm’s way, it is their choice. Following orders is no longer an acceptable excuse.
Stephen Miller might be the most dangerous person in this administration. Trump listens to him and this has his stink all over it.
This regime is looking for every opportunity to turn American military forces on tax paying residents.
Does the Insurrection Apply when ICE is a private for profit corporation looking for profits? And how might they stir up some profit?
If Trump were smart, he'd turn down the temperature. Tell ICE to back off, have California's AG Office step in.
If Newsome were smart, he'd be doing the same thing.
Fuera ICE!! Now downtown LA is protesting too. I’ve been watching the livestream for several hours. I’m in Oakland.
I was just thinking about how nothing could happen where I live bc I’m in Texas… but actually it COULD bc all the National Guard are at the border. 😂😅😅😬
They should arrest anybody who put their hands on the law-enforcement officer
Otherwise, they can protest all they want without fear
That's not how it works... Have you been to a protest lately??
“Law enforcement” is boot-licking slave patrol. They deserve ZERO respect, only scorn, shame and resistance. You get what you give. The only positive thing about all this is that more people are waking up on how abusive and grotesque policing is. Black and brown folks have been telling us this from the beginning. Now, white people are waking up.
Gun owners who don't align with this regime -- now is the time to fight back. To shoot back. The day has come. Kill these motherfuckers. If they're gonna call this an insurrection, then by god, give them the real deal.
“Prick with ears” is on the nose.
“Demonstrators clashed with federal authorities and attempted to force their way into the Roybal Federal Building”
“Violence against federal agents…”
You have to mention these things or else your reporting is not accurate. These are people’s sons, brothers husbands, wives, sisters. They are doing their job. No one should be able to hurt them. If you’re damaging property, you’re going to be arrested. There is a difference between protesting and hurting people and breaking things and destroying property. Your reporting suggests that there is a peaceful protest, and the National Guard is being brought in against peaceful protesters. If the National Guard is being brought in against violent protesters and people damaging property and acting against federal agents, this is completely different. Jesus.