Clyburn's remarks were ludicrous, wasn't the biggest Biden fan, yet IDGAF about how fit he is/was...he is not in office, I am VERY concerned about the malignant narcissist neo-fascist currently destroying everything. THAT is a MUCH bigger concern IMHO.
So in my view this whole issue - uneasiness about discussing gerontocracy for the understandable reason of feeling it's mean - is still very much alive and will lead to more scandals involving current officials.
Hey, thanks for your response! I have no uneasiness about discussing gerontocracy and wholeheartedly agree with you on all points - nor do I care if folks think I am being 'mean' when I express my belief we should have age limits [not an ageist, but they can think that if they want, what folks think of me is not my business!!]
It is just with everything going on currently, I have little energy to discuss these valid points regarding Biden when they [seem] to bear little consequence currently. Now with the rest of the gerontocracy still in "power," they cannot leave soon enough...voting them out in 26 seems too far out.
Perhaps your ire shouldn't be directed at the people who are angry about the corruption in the Democratic Party that chose to please the donor class rather than winning the election against Trump... TWICE.
Perhaps your ire would be better directed at the corrupt.
I don't get mad at the cancer. I get mad at the doctor that I'm paying to treat it, but won't.
No ire, I am just tired and overwhelmed and trying to stay focused on the now and the future, not a past president. I actually agree with his points :)
As with so many issues, we need a sane public conversation on the issue of age and public office. And, of course, that means "going there."
I'm almost 80 and still working every day. That means I am anything but ageist. But I've been running a small non-profit in economic and community development. Surprisingly, we do not have nuclear capability. I trust myself to make everyday decisions, to supervise a small staff, due process information and have a strategic vision.
However, I have a constant awareness of my diminishing capabilities. I am not the person I was ten years ago or even five years ago. My Board of Directors just announced the completion of our succession process with the selection of our new President and CEO. I recommended this to the Board and pushed for a date to be set.
Our public conversation needs to result in some science-based limitations who can serve in elective office. Clearly we do not have the collective wisdom to make good decisions through our electoral office as it stands. We have an overwhelming body of evidence in the performances of President Biden, President Trump, Senator McConnell, and numerous others to compel us to make this change. It's not about party, it's about policy.
You know what I don't care about? Things that didn't happen. If we're going to talk about the past, Joe Biden and disasters, let's talk about how he dropped out in a way that left the party with no candidate chosen by primary. Let's talk about abject failure to win. Let's talk about the death of democracy in the US. And let's talk about the present and fascism. (Sorry postpartum is making me stir crazy and batshit mad. And I do agree with this overall, I'm just sick of hearing about it.)
Many physicians now forego PSA testing when they do blood work, even for older males if they don't express any symptoms. So I'm not as surprised as some are that Biden would have been unaware that he had stage 4a (or later) prostate cancer if the White House or his personal doctor didn't do PSA or digital examinations. Cancer sucks and I don't wish it on anyone, even warmongers responsible for the deaths of millions....on second thought, scratch that. I just wanted to stress that you need to get PSA and digital rectal exams every year once you get past the age of 55 or so. Unless you're a woman; in that case you should probably report your doctor to the authorities.
I have no problem with old people whatsoever! Just officials who've been in power for half a century and do everything they can to prevent new leadership
The death of a young friend of mine in the USA: No health insurance. He died in serious pain nobody willing to give him more painkillers because.......?
MR Biden will NOT have the pain of my young friend in the USA
"Jake Tapper. The CNN host had just co-written a book — published today! — reporting on what it calls the “cover-up” of President Biden’s mental and physical decline while in office."
Tapper was in on the scam [run a simple search under "jake tapper original sin hypocrite"], now he's trying to make a buck off it.
I’m having trouble ginning up any sympathy for the guy who provided weapons to the country that destroyed cancer hospitals in Gaza. And who granted clemency to the doctor who diluted cancer patients’ chemotherapy drugs.
What Clyburn said was ludicrous. Biden wasn’t fit for office when he ran in 2020, regardless of his age. I saw what I saw, and I heard what I heard. I resent being treated like an idiot.
Biden is a bad hombre, and I have no sympathy for him either.
I have family in Kansas City, and I want to just add a point of clarification about the Robert Courtney pharmacist case, though (the guy who diluted chemo meds). Since I kind of followed that case, I can tell you: Courtney's sentence was NOT commuted by Biden (thankfully!)
In 2020, Courtney was part of a group of prisoners who were going to be sent to halfway houses or other places besides prisons during COVID-19, when they were trying to stop the spread. This was a program that automatically identified people who were not violent and whose age put them at higher risk of COVID. But due to public outcry, a judge made an exception, and Courtney was not allowed to be part of that program after all. His fraud killed over 4,000 people, particularly targeting women, with no remorse.
Biden's commutations in 2024 were a blanket order that pulled in everyone who qualified for that COVID program. Robert Courtney originally was part of that program, but because his case was reconsidered, he was not included in the final commutation. https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article244244677.html
Good for you for “going there”, Ken! It is just another insulting lie from the DNC that Biden was a-ok, with Clyburn and some media and DNC parrots adding “even with metastasized prostate cancer” in effect. Shame on all of them liars!
WTF is para-social? It's seems to be a newish term.
Again, getting old does not equal getting senile.
Many elected are way past their expiration date. I was very active in Paul Soglin's 1977 mayoral campaign. He left office in 1979. He was elected, again, back in 2010. He ran again recently. My thoughts when I heard this was "get a life".
I do not believe in term limits. Us voters have to kick these people out of office
This thread seems rather confusing, as there seem, perhaps to be a conflation between the standard when suing a public person, vs a private person, (ordinary people have way more protections than public figures, [when they are the ones being sued]), and the standard when that private person is being sued by a public person ("to win a defamation lawsuit as a public figure").
I think it would be helpful for us all if you could separate and clarify these two ideas.
"I'm going there"
Thank you for going there.
Biden’s tumor has a right to exist!
And to defend itself!
Cancer is Hamas.
Clyburn's remarks were ludicrous, wasn't the biggest Biden fan, yet IDGAF about how fit he is/was...he is not in office, I am VERY concerned about the malignant narcissist neo-fascist currently destroying everything. THAT is a MUCH bigger concern IMHO.
So in my view this whole issue - uneasiness about discussing gerontocracy for the understandable reason of feeling it's mean - is still very much alive and will lead to more scandals involving current officials.
Hey, thanks for your response! I have no uneasiness about discussing gerontocracy and wholeheartedly agree with you on all points - nor do I care if folks think I am being 'mean' when I express my belief we should have age limits [not an ageist, but they can think that if they want, what folks think of me is not my business!!]
It is just with everything going on currently, I have little energy to discuss these valid points regarding Biden when they [seem] to bear little consequence currently. Now with the rest of the gerontocracy still in "power," they cannot leave soon enough...voting them out in 26 seems too far out.
Perhaps your ire shouldn't be directed at the people who are angry about the corruption in the Democratic Party that chose to please the donor class rather than winning the election against Trump... TWICE.
Perhaps your ire would be better directed at the corrupt.
I don't get mad at the cancer. I get mad at the doctor that I'm paying to treat it, but won't.
No ire, I am just tired and overwhelmed and trying to stay focused on the now and the future, not a past president. I actually agree with his points :)
As with so many issues, we need a sane public conversation on the issue of age and public office. And, of course, that means "going there."
I'm almost 80 and still working every day. That means I am anything but ageist. But I've been running a small non-profit in economic and community development. Surprisingly, we do not have nuclear capability. I trust myself to make everyday decisions, to supervise a small staff, due process information and have a strategic vision.
However, I have a constant awareness of my diminishing capabilities. I am not the person I was ten years ago or even five years ago. My Board of Directors just announced the completion of our succession process with the selection of our new President and CEO. I recommended this to the Board and pushed for a date to be set.
Our public conversation needs to result in some science-based limitations who can serve in elective office. Clearly we do not have the collective wisdom to make good decisions through our electoral office as it stands. We have an overwhelming body of evidence in the performances of President Biden, President Trump, Senator McConnell, and numerous others to compel us to make this change. It's not about party, it's about policy.
James Harmon Clinton
P.S. Don't trust me with the nukes.
You know what I don't care about? Things that didn't happen. If we're going to talk about the past, Joe Biden and disasters, let's talk about how he dropped out in a way that left the party with no candidate chosen by primary. Let's talk about abject failure to win. Let's talk about the death of democracy in the US. And let's talk about the present and fascism. (Sorry postpartum is making me stir crazy and batshit mad. And I do agree with this overall, I'm just sick of hearing about it.)
Coverup always worse than the crime.
Many physicians now forego PSA testing when they do blood work, even for older males if they don't express any symptoms. So I'm not as surprised as some are that Biden would have been unaware that he had stage 4a (or later) prostate cancer if the White House or his personal doctor didn't do PSA or digital examinations. Cancer sucks and I don't wish it on anyone, even warmongers responsible for the deaths of millions....on second thought, scratch that. I just wanted to stress that you need to get PSA and digital rectal exams every year once you get past the age of 55 or so. Unless you're a woman; in that case you should probably report your doctor to the authorities.
Nicely done
thanks matt!
Nothing worse than old people giving old people a bad name.
I have no problem with old people whatsoever! Just officials who've been in power for half a century and do everything they can to prevent new leadership
In the beginning it's the perks. In the end it's the power that longevity brings. Somewhere in the middle they lose sight of what governing means.
The death of a young friend of mine in the USA: No health insurance. He died in serious pain nobody willing to give him more painkillers because.......?
MR Biden will NOT have the pain of my young friend in the USA
Gee - does this mean that Tapper won't be releasing his book? It seems like the least he could do since Biden's announcement.
"Jake Tapper. The CNN host had just co-written a book — published today! — reporting on what it calls the “cover-up” of President Biden’s mental and physical decline while in office."
Tapper was in on the scam [run a simple search under "jake tapper original sin hypocrite"], now he's trying to make a buck off it.
Correct.
Absolutely. Poor folks at the MSM somehow had no idea when the common folk at home could see it. 🙄🙄
I’m having trouble ginning up any sympathy for the guy who provided weapons to the country that destroyed cancer hospitals in Gaza. And who granted clemency to the doctor who diluted cancer patients’ chemotherapy drugs.
What Clyburn said was ludicrous. Biden wasn’t fit for office when he ran in 2020, regardless of his age. I saw what I saw, and I heard what I heard. I resent being treated like an idiot.
Biden is a bad hombre, and I have no sympathy for him either.
I have family in Kansas City, and I want to just add a point of clarification about the Robert Courtney pharmacist case, though (the guy who diluted chemo meds). Since I kind of followed that case, I can tell you: Courtney's sentence was NOT commuted by Biden (thankfully!)
In 2020, Courtney was part of a group of prisoners who were going to be sent to halfway houses or other places besides prisons during COVID-19, when they were trying to stop the spread. This was a program that automatically identified people who were not violent and whose age put them at higher risk of COVID. But due to public outcry, a judge made an exception, and Courtney was not allowed to be part of that program after all. His fraud killed over 4,000 people, particularly targeting women, with no remorse.
Biden's commutations in 2024 were a blanket order that pulled in everyone who qualified for that COVID program. Robert Courtney originally was part of that program, but because his case was reconsidered, he was not included in the final commutation. https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article244244677.html
You can confirm it at the official record here: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/december-12-2024-commutation-recipients
Rest assured, the monster Robert Courtney suffered terribly in federal prison. He had 3 heart attacks, a stroke, cancer, and internal bleeding while in prison. He was moved to home confinement last year, but that was due to a program that lets prisoners earn credits for good behavior, not because of Biden's commutation. https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/health/robert-courtney-former-pharmacist-convicted-of-diluting-medications-released-from-prison/article_aaafe6d2-503c-11ef-8483-07836cefe5fe.html
Sorry to split hairs. I just know about this case and wanted to be accurate. This was one case where justice was served.
Good for you for “going there”, Ken! It is just another insulting lie from the DNC that Biden was a-ok, with Clyburn and some media and DNC parrots adding “even with metastasized prostate cancer” in effect. Shame on all of them liars!
WTF is para-social? It's seems to be a newish term.
Again, getting old does not equal getting senile.
Many elected are way past their expiration date. I was very active in Paul Soglin's 1977 mayoral campaign. He left office in 1979. He was elected, again, back in 2010. He ran again recently. My thoughts when I heard this was "get a life".
I do not believe in term limits. Us voters have to kick these people out of office
This seems a bit garbled:
"Defamation law distinguishes between public and private persons, requiring a much evidentiary standard for claims made of non-public figures."
oh whoops, meant much hgher
In that case wouldn't it be:
"Defamation law distinguishes between public and private persons, requiring a much higher evidentiary standard for claims made about public figures."
No; that's my point - ordinary people have way more protections than public figures. As it should be.
Yes, in order to win a defamation lawsuit as a public figure, you have to clear a much higher standard, "actual malice" I believe.
correct
This thread seems rather confusing, as there seem, perhaps to be a conflation between the standard when suing a public person, vs a private person, (ordinary people have way more protections than public figures, [when they are the ones being sued]), and the standard when that private person is being sued by a public person ("to win a defamation lawsuit as a public figure").
I think it would be helpful for us all if you could separate and clarify these two ideas.
"who really is your friend!"
>Ludo voice< Ya, yu frend . . . .